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pael:
Mitä on divinaatio Buddhalaisuudessa? Lama Dawa ennustaa kuulemma peilistä. Onko kokemusta? Löytyykö Buddhalaista divinaatiota Suomesta?

Kakashi:
Divinaation käännös lienee ennustus. Ennustaminen on ennustamista, en tiedä onko siihen erikseen jonkinlaista buddhalaista määritelmää. Mutta joitain ennustamisen menetelmiä on, joita voidaan varmaankin sanoa buddhalaisiksi. Kokemusta on Lama Dawan ennustuksista parin kysymyksen verran joskus useita vuosia sitten. Vastaukset olivat mielenkiintoisia. Suomesta voi löytyä jos joku täällä vieraileva tai asuva pätevä lama niitä suostuu tekemään.

Ekhnaton:
Kaupasta tai internetistä voi ostaa teoksen Mo, Tibetan Divination System  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1282464.Mo
Kirjan mukana tulee kuvallisia ennustuskortteja, sekä noppa jonka tahoissa on A ra pa ca na mantran tavut. Mo-menetelmän on laatinut Jamgon Mipham.

Lisäksi on olemassa ennustusmenetelmä jossa käytetään mantranauhaa eli malaa, Bead Counting Divination eli Teng Mo www.serenapowers.com/tibetan.html

Englanniksi on olemassa ainakin kaksi kirjaa tiibetiläisestä unien tulkinnasta ja ennustamisesta niiden avulla:
The Tibetan Art of Dream Analysis, by Nida Chenagtsang,
sekä The Interpretation of Dreams in a 17th Century Tibetan Text, by Namcho Mingyur Dorje.

Valitettavasti Buddha Gautama on kertonut kaikenlaisen ennustamisen olevan väärä elinkeino, katso Kevaddha suttan kohdassa The Great Section on Virtue  www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.11.0.than.html

Kakashi:

--- Lainaus käyttäjältä: Ekhnaton - Syyskuu 09, 2017, 11:58:15 ap ---Valitettavasti Buddha Gautama on kertonut kaikenlaisen ennustamisen olevan väärä elinkeino, katso Kevaddha suttan kohdassa The Great Section on Virtue  www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.11.0.than.html

--- Lainaus päättyy ---

Onneksi ennustamisesta, vaikka sitä harjoittaisikin, ei ole välttämätöntä tehdä elinkeinoa.

Ekhnaton:
Kevaddha suttassa oleva "alhaisten taitojen" (lowly arts) luettelo  on kaikenkaikkiaan mielenkiintoinen. Alla on vain osa siitä, jotkin niistä ovat varmaaankin sallittuja maallikoille, kuten accounting (kirjanpito)!
Oikea elinkeino on osa Kahdeksan osaista polkua, ja tarkoitettu myös maalikkoseuraajille. En usko että ne kaikki tulevat harmittomiksi, jos niistä ei peri maksua...

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as:

    reading marks on the limbs [e.g., palmistry];
    reading omens and signs;
    interpreting celestial events [falling stars, comets];
    interpreting dreams;
    reading marks on the body [e.g., phrenology];
    reading marks on cloth gnawed by mice;
    offering fire oblations, oblations from a ladle, oblations of husks, rice powder, rice grains, ghee, and oil;
    offering oblations from the mouth;
    offering blood-sacrifices;
    making predictions based on the fingertips;
    geomancy;
    laying demons in a cemetery;
    placing spells on spirits;
    reciting house-protection charms;
    snake charming, poison-lore, scorpion-lore, rat-lore, bird-lore, crow-lore;
    fortune-telling based on visions;
    giving protective charms;
    interpreting the calls of birds and animals —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.   

    offering oblations from the mouth;
    offering blood-sacrifices;
    making predictions based on the fingertips;
    geomancy;
    laying demons in a cemetery;
    placing spells on spirits;
    reciting house-protection charms;
    snake charming, poison-lore, scorpion-lore, rat-lore, bird-lore, crow-lore;
    fortune-telling based on visions;
    giving protective charms;
    interpreting the calls of birds and animals —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as: determining lucky and unlucky gems, garments, staffs, swords, spears, arrows, bows, and other weapons; women, boys, girls, male slaves, female slaves; elephants, horses, buffaloes, bulls, cows, goats, rams, fowl, quails, lizards, long-eared rodents, tortoises, and other animals — he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as forecasting:

    the rulers will march forth;
    the rulers will march forth and return;
    our rulers will attack, and their rulers will retreat;
    their rulers will attack, and our rulers will retreat;
    there will be triumph for our rulers and defeat for their rulers;
    there will be triumph for their rulers and defeat for our rulers;
    thus there will be triumph, thus there will be defeat —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as forecasting:

    there will be a lunar eclipse;
    there will be a solar eclipse;
    there will be an occultation of an asterism;
    the sun and moon will go their normal courses;
    the sun and moon will go astray;
    the asterisms will go their normal courses;
    the asterisms will go astray;
    there will be a meteor shower;
    there will be a darkening of the sky;
    there will be an earthquake;
    there will be thunder coming from a clear sky;
    there will be a rising, a setting, a darkening, a brightening of the sun, moon, and asterisms;
    such will be the result of the lunar eclipse... the rising, setting, darkening, brightening of the sun, moon, and asterisms —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as forecasting:

    there will be abundant rain; there will be a drought;
    there will be plenty; there will be famine;
    there will be rest and security; there will be danger;
    there will be disease; there will be freedom from disease;
    or they earn their living by counting, accounting, calculation, composing poetry, or teaching hedonistic arts and doctrines —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.


    there will be a darkening of the sky;
    there will be an earthquake;
    there will be thunder coming from a clear sky;
    there will be a rising, a setting, a darkening, a brightening of the sun, moon, and asterisms;
    such will be the result of the lunar eclipse... the rising, setting, darkening, brightening of the sun, moon, and asterisms —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as forecasting:

    calculating auspicious dates for marriages, betrothals, divorces; for collecting debts or making investments and loans; for being attractive or unattractive; curing women who have undergone miscarriages or abortions;
    reciting spells to bind a man's tongue, to paralyze his jaws, to make him lose control over his hands, or to bring on deafness;
    getting oracular answers to questions addressed to a mirror, to a young girl, or to a spirit medium;
    worshipping the sun, worshipping the Great Brahma, bringing forth flames from the mouth, invoking the goddess of luck —

he abstains from wrong livelihood, from lowly arts such as these.

"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such lowly arts as:

    promising gifts to devas in return for favors; fulfilling such promises;
    demonology;
    teaching house-protection spells;
    inducing virility and impotence;
    consecrating sites for construction;
    giving ceremonial mouthwashes and ceremonial bathing;
    offering sacrificial fires;
    preparing emetics, purgatives, expectorants, diuretics, headache cures;
    preparing ear-oil, eye-drops, oil for treatment through the nose, collyrium, and counter-medicines; curing cataracts, practicing surgery, practicing as a children's doctor, jne..."

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